DENNIS BUTIC (MCGI) DEFEATED BENFRANCIS RATZBERG (CATHOLIC) REGARDING GREAT BABYLON

I’ll post the catholic rebuttal on my post. We have been discussing this in the group CATHOLIC TRUTH EXPLAINED WITH CHARITY wherein they kicked me out deliberately without any rational excuse. Actually, they ate dust, and were totally demolished yet now they’re trying some late damage control. They were just attempting to do it to actually deceive people. I’ll show you. I’ll answer in between topics.

  • My answer would be in this format.

Here goes….

DENIS BUTIC, THE SAVAGE WOLF OF SORIANO, FAILED ONCE AGAIN TO PROVE THAT VATICAN IS THE WHORE OF BABYLON By Benfrancis Ratzbert

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    Vatican, the seat of Christianity in Rome… The Church of Rome is apostolic in origin and well praised by St. Paul.

     

    Benfrancis Ratzberg

    THE SAVAGE WOLF of ANG DATING DAAN (Job 22:15) ATTACKS AGAIN, BUT FAILS. HE THINKS THAT THE VATICAN, AND NOT JERUSALEM, WAS THE WHORE CALLED BABYLON.

    Reply to Dennis Butic 109

    DENNIS: //JERUSALEM IS NOT GREAT BABYLON//

    RATZBERG: WRONG!

    THE GREAT CITY, OR BABYLON, was the PLACE WHERE THE LORD WAS CRUCIFIED. (Rev. 11:8).

    Just believe what the BIBLE said, Dennis Butic.

    Since YOU DON’T BELIEVE the BIBLE, then YOU HAVE to PROVE that JESUS was CRUCIFIED in the VATICAN.

    Try it.

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    DENNIS COMMENTARY:

    • I said, Jerusalem cannot be great Babylon bec of this simple reason: GREAT BABYLON, THE LAND ITSELF, WONT EVER BE FOUND AFTER ITS DESTRUCTION. Jerusalem, allegedly great babylon, after 70AD, the alleged destruction of great Babylon, was still existing, therefore it is not the great Babylon of the bible meant to be permanently lost.
    • Revelation 18:10,16-19,21-23
    • [18]And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
    • [19]And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
    • [21]And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
    • [22]And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
    • [23]And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

    • As you can see, Great Babylon speaks of something that has craftsmen or merchandise and likewise millstones. It speaks of a literal land as emphasized it would be desolate, wherein there would never be craftsmen and any crafts or businesses in it. Therefore it speaks of a literal land and God said, it would be thrown down AND SHALL NEVER BE FOUND, meaning, after its destruction it would permanently be a lost, unfound land. It was not so with Jerusalem. By saying it would be desolate means, it is an existing matter that has no people in it. Jerusalem as speaking of the old Jerusalem’s religion-political aspect as Great Babylon was not so in matters of being something desolated bec if that is the case it should have been a reality that old jerusalem’s spiritual-political aspect is still an existing reality wherein while it exists it is desolate. As you will read further, their claim is that old jerusalem’s spiritual-political power as being great babylon would be gone, so how come is it desolate if its gone? An inexistent matter cannot be desolate bec none of it exists wherein it could be desolate. Something desolated is something that exists and has then no people in it. But they say old jerusalem’s piritual-political aspect is gone therefore it was not the great babylon referred to as desolate.

    Reply to Dennis Butic 110

    DENNIS: //The beast destroys the whore of babylon.

    REV 17:16 THE TEN HORNS WHICH THOU SAWEST UPON THE BEAST, THESE SHALL HATE THE WHORE AND SHALL MAKE HER DESOLATE AND NAKED AND SHALL EAT HER FLESH AND BURN HER WITH FIRE.

    Catholics say, it refers to Rome destroying jerusalem in 70 AD. Thus the destruction of jerusalem is the destruction of great babylon, the whore.//

    RATZBERG: CORRECT.

    BECAUSE the BIBLE POINTED to JERUSALEM as the GREAT CITY or BABYLON WHERE the LORD WAS CRUCIFIED. THAT’S VERY CLEAR.

    As I SAID, BELIEVE WHAT THE BIBLE SAID.

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    DENNIS COMMENTARY:

    • Jerusalem is called the great city as it say: 
    • Revelation 11:8
    • [8]And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    • Babylon is also the great city as it say:
    • Revelation 17:18
    • [18]And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

    • New jerusalem is likewise the great city as it say:
    • Revelation 21:10
    • [10]And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

    • DO YOU MEAN, ALL THESE GREAT CITY IS GREAT BABYLON INCLUDING NEW JERUSALEM, A HOLY SANCTUARY?
    • No! Right? Therefore it doesn’t follow that whenever the bible mention the term the great city it doesn’t mean it speaks of one specific city jerusalem. How come? Bec jerusalem as a land is still known and existing whereas great babylon would be permanently lost.
    • Besides the term the president is not a sole title privilege of one person but of many rulers so why would the term the great city speaks of one city only?
    • It doesn’t makes any sense. These are part of my arguments that these CFD’s in their group cannot fathom to destroy. 

    Reply to Dennis Butic 111

    DENNIS: //This did not happen to jerusalem:

    REV 18:3 FOR ALL NATIONS HAVE DRUNK OF THE WRATH OF HER FORNICATION There was never a time that all nations fornicate with jerusalem. Thus it cannot be the great babylon.//

    RATZBERG: WRONG.

    EZEKIEL 16:15-28 DESCRIBES JERUSALEM AS A PROSTITUTE WHO FORNICATED WITH THE EGYPTIANS, ASSYRIANS, BABYLONIANS, VISITORS, AND WITH JUST ANYBODY WHO PASSES BY HER.

    BASA:

    15 You learned that you were attractive enough to have any man you wanted, so you offered yourself to every passerby.[e] 16 You made shrines for yourself and decorated them with some of your clothes. That’s where you took your visitors to have sex with them. These things should never have happened![f]

    17 You made idols out of the gold and silver jewelry I gave you, then you sinned by worshiping those idols. 18 You dressed them in the clothes you got from me, and you offered them the olive oil and incense I gave you. 19 I supplied you with fine flour, olive oil, and honey, but you sacrificed it all as offerings to please those idols. I, the LORD God, watched this happen.

    20 But you did something even worse than that—you sacrificed your own children to those idols! 21 You slaughtered my children, so you could offer them as sacrifices. 22 You were so busy sinning and being a prostitute that you refused to think about the days when you were young and were rolling around naked in your own blood.

    23 Now I, the LORD God, say you are doomed! Not only did you do these evil things, 24 but you also built places on every street corner 25 where you disgraced yourself by having sex with anyone who walked by. And you did that more and more every day! 26 To make me angry, you even offered yourself to Egyptians, who were always ready to sleep with you.

    27 So I punished you by letting those greedy Philistine enemies take over some of your territory. But even they were offended by your disgusting behavior.

    28 You couldn’t get enough sex, so you chased after Assyrians and slept with them. You still weren’t satisfied, 29 so you went after Babylonians. But those merchants could not satisfy you either.

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    DENNIS COMMENTARY:

    • Nope. As you can see ALL NATIONS FORNICATES WITH GREAT BABYLON which never happened to Jerusalem. During Jerusalem 70AD there were natives already of ifugao making rice terraces yet nowhere in history did it recorded any Filipino that journeyed to Jerusalem before 70AD for fornication! It means ALL NATION fornicating with jerusalem never happened at all before 70AD nullifying the trying-hard to redeem face Benfranciz Ratzberg argument

    Reply to Dennis Butic 112

    DENNIS: //Catholics argue that “all nations” is a hyperbole.Wrong. God don’t use hyperbole.//

    RATZBERG: WRONG AGAIN.

    LET ME GIVE EXAMPLES of HYPERBOLES in the BIBLE.

    BASA:

    1.) Psalm 48:2: “Beautiful in its loftiness, the JOY OF THE WHOLE EARTH, like the heights of Zaphon is Mount Zion, the city of the Great King (Jerusalem).”

    2.) Mark 1:4-5: “4 John the baptizer appeared[a] in the wilderness, proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5 And PEOPLE FROM THE WHOLE JUDEAN COUNTRYSIDE and ALL THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM were going out to him, and were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.”

    3.) John 3:26. “Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified—behold, He is baptizing, and ALL ARE COMING TO HIM!”

    HYPERBOLE is NOT LYING. You just MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT IT IS.

    IT WAS YOU WHO LIED.

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    DENNIS COMMENTARY:

    • Trying to save face, Ratzberg used out of context method as a way to masquerade defeat. As I said, they were not able to make a solid stand in their group wherein the paramount paragon of superior argument was lacking from them. 
    • As i said, god never used hyperbole bec its tantamount to lying. Lets consider the catholic alibi:
    • #1
    • Psalms 48:2
    • [2]Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth (eretz–partitively a land), is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

    • There is no hyperbole. Whole earth speaks of the whole of the partitive land that is only a specific land, possibly Israel, and not the whole earth per se. Israel is a metonymy of its inhabitant. Therefore the joy of the whole earth (israel) speaks of the joy of the people!
    • #2
    • Mark 1:4-5
    • [4]John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
    • [5]And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

    • KJV says, all the land of Judea. Its metonymy speaking of the people in the whole Judea, it doesn’t necessarily mean all people of Judea such as the metonymy, he drinks the whole cup. Its metonymy for its content which necessarily means, drinking the content of it, which may be full or partially full. Therefore all the land of Judea don’t necessarily speak of all people in Judea but partially of its population. 
    • #3
    • John 3:26
    • [26]And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.

    • ALL MEN COME TO HIM is ambiguous. It could be explained in many ways at face value. ALL MEN OF THE WHOLE WORLD? OR ALL MEN OF JUDEA? OR ALL MEN THAT BELIEVES IN HIM?
    • Ambiguous right? Therefore you cannot conclude it as hyperbole. Actually by context, all men seeking baptism speaks of all that believes in him bec baptism is for believers as it say, 
    • Acts 8:36-37
    • And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
    • And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
    • Now Ratzberg, defeated many times in the catholic group, where is the hyperbole?

    Reply to Dennis Butic 113

    DENNIS: //This is how babylon is destroyed. REV 16:18-19 AND THERE WAS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE MEN WERE UPON THE EARTH…AND THE GREAT CITY WAS DIVIDED INTO THREE PARTS. That never happened to jerusalem in its destruction in 70AD.//

    RATZBERG: THAT NEVER HAPPENED to the VATICAN EITHER, LITERALLY SPEAKING.

    BUT WE KNOW that at the TIME of its DESTRUCTION, JERUSALEM WAS SHARPLY DIVIDED by the JEWISH, SAMARITAN, and the CHRISTIAN FACTIONS.

    In Galatians 4, St. PAUL referred to the JEWISH FACTION as the JERUSALEM under the OLD COVENANT and as the SON of the SLAVE WOMAN HAGAR, who, during Paul’s time, HAD PERSECUTED the CHRISTIANS.

    The CHRISTIANS were the CHILDREN of PROMISE, or the CHRISTIAN FACTION.

    AND THEN SCRIPTURE SAYS, “Get rid of the slave woman and her son.”

    AND THAT FITS PERFECTLY with WHAT HAPPENED to the TEMPLE of JERUSALEM. GOD GOT RID of IT.

    OKAY, YOUR TURN.

    SHOW US THAT VATICAN CITY was SHARPLY DIVIDED in WHATEVER WAY you can IMAGINE.

    And SHOW US HOW GOD GOT RID of IT.

    KAYA MO?

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    DENNIS COMMENTARY:

    • No! Its not Vatican but Rome! It would happen in the future. Earthquake would destroy it into three parts. Read the time of its fulfillment 
    • Isaiah 13:1,9,13
    • [1]The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
    • [9]Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
    • [13]Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

    • As you can see, babylon would be desolate. It confirms the account of revelation wherein great babylon be desolate without any craftman or crafts or business and as it say, it happens during the time wherein heaven and earth would be shaken. If the whole earth be shaken, rationally, it would deface the landscape, so as supportive of the fact that great babylon would be divided into three parts and that afterwards it would permanently be lost as it say:
    • REPOST:
    • And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
    • [21]And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
    • [22]And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

    • THAT NEVER HAPPENED TO JERUSALEM. JERUSALEM STILL EXISTS WHEREAS GREAT BABYLON AFTER ITS DESTRUCTION WOULD NEVER BE FOUND. AND THAT, NO CRAFTMAN OR CRAFTS OR BUSINESS OF ANY KIND WOULD BE IN IT. 
    • That reality, was my consistent argument when all the catholics in that group surrndered and afterwards kicked me out! 
    • Regarding the 3part division, catholic say, it is about Jewish, Samaritan, christian faction that would happen in it!
    • Wrong! There was also greek and latin faction. Nevertheless, you will realize afterwards that it speaks of physical landscape alteration as great babylon as i would prove dont concern anything about old jerusalem spiritual or political matters but as itself, a physical land.

    Reply to Dennis Butic 113

    DENNIS: //Lastly, jerusalem was not totally destroyed and still existing. Presently, it is still existing, whereas great babylon would never exist.//

    RATZBERG: WRONG AGAIN, AND AGAIN.

    JERUSALEM’S CENTER OF SPIRITUAL POWER, and in some sense, POLITICAL POWER, is the TEMPLE.

    THE TEMPLE is GONE, NEVER to be SEEN AGAIN.

    HENCE, the GREAT BABYLON is NO MORE.

    APOSTATE JERUSALEM FITS PERFECTLY as the EVIL GREAT CITY that is NO MORE.

    NOW, IT’S YOUR TURN to PROVE that the VATICAN CITY, which you ERRONEOUSLY LABELLED AS THE GREAT BABYLON, is NO MORE.

    KAYA MO?

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    DENNIS COMMENTARY:

    • I demolished that, remember. You’re just pretending to have fought and won when in fact, I demolished and fed you with dust trails. You were like a confused pigeon on the chessboard spinning around then poop and claiming to be a chess grandmaster !
    • Now, let us repeat the same scenario.
    • WHEN THE PROPHESY SAY, GREAT BABYLON WOULD BE EXTINCT, IT SPOKE ABOUT THE LITERAL LAND WHERE CRAFTS OR BUSINESSES ARE BEING DONE. IT WAS NOT INSIDE THE TEMPLE WHERE CRAFTSMEN DO MERCHENDISE. THERE WAS NO MILLSTONE INSIDE THE TEMPLE EITHER, THUS IT SPOKE OF THE LITERAL LAND THAT HAS CRAFTMEN AND MILLSTONES TO VANISH FROM RECOGNITION OR KNOWLEDGE BUT AS A PERMANENT EXTINCT CITY AS IT SAY,
    • And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
    • [21]And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
    • [22]And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
    • And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

    • Therefore, it was not speaking of the temple Benfranciz “di natuto pero nauto” Ratzberg. 
    • When will that happen?
    • When god shakes the heaven and the earth as it say:
    • Isaiah 13:1,9,13
    • ]The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
    • [9]Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
    • [13]Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

    • What is the result? What would happen to babylon?
    • Isaiah 34:4-5,8-10
    • 4]And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
    • 5]For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
    • [8]For it is the day of the LORD’S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
    • [9]And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
    • [10]It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

    • As you can see, a land become desolate permanently as a wasteland wherein primarily it is of pitch and brimstone. It is as how great babylon as revealed by john to be destroyed and permanently be lost and never found as it say,
    • And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

    • Ratzberg, that is Rome not Vatican per se. Possible events in the future, possibly in the rapture, that radically deforms Rome and makes it a coastland which afterwards would be destroyed and divided in three parts as it would be transformed as a permanent lost city. Rome will be the seat of power of catholicism being great babylon sitting on 7hills. The hills of Rome!
    • That cannot be apostate jerusalem, its spiritual and political power and the temple bec great babylon when destroyed would never have craftsmen of any kind in it anymore, speaking likewise of secular and nonpolitical merchandise as to be permanently absent from it as it say,
    • [22]And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

    • That never happened to Jerusalem as a permanent phenomena! You might say, the crafts that would permanently vanish from it were the crafts as being the merchandise of the apostate jerusalem. Apostate jerusalem being gone therefore it follows all that concerns its spiritual and political power including its merchandise would be gone! You might say that right? But then even candle lights would be permanently gone. Is there a distinct religion-political candlelight only associated with apostate jerusalem as the one referred to in the prophesy? Of course none! Thus it speaks about a particular city that would never have candlelight. It was not Jerusalem now as the consequence of its destruction!
    • Rev 18:23
    • And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

    • Moreover, great babylon would be desolate whereas old jerusalem’s spiritual-political aspect is not.
    • Revelation 18:10,16-19,21-23
    • [18]And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
    • [19]And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
    • REPOST:
    • By saying it would be desolate means, it is an existing matter that has no people in it. Jerusalem as speaking of the old Jerusalem’s religion-political aspect as Great Babylon was not so in matters of being something desolated bec if that is the case it should have been a reality that old jerusalem’s spiritual-political aspect is still an existing reality wherein while it exists it is desolate. As you will read further, their claim is that old jerusalem’s spiritual-political power as being great babylon would be gone, so how come is it desolate if its gone? An inexistent matter cannot be desolate bec none of it exists wherein it could be desolate. Something desolated is something that exists and has then no people in it. But they say old jerusalem’s piritual-political aspect is gone therefore it was not the great babylon referred to as desolate.
    • Ratzberg? How did you think your shallow reasoning undo your defeat and all your colleagues in the catholic group i was forced to be ejected when this is the same argument you and i have used?
    • Now, spinnin pigeon, perhaps by pooping on the chessboard you made yourself chess grandmaster but religion is not for pigeons!
    • RECAP:
    • ALL NATION WOULD FORNICATE WITH GREAT BABYLON!
    • GREAT BABYLON WOULD HAVE NO CANDLELIGHT OR CRAFTS OF ANY KIND IN IT PERMANENTLY THEREFORE ITS A LITERAL LAND.
    • IT WOULD BE DESOLATE.
    • IT WOULD BE PERMANENTLY LOST AND EXTINCT.

    • That never is a reality with  jerusalem now or even fitting to old Jerusalem’s political and spiritual aspect as represented by the temple as rationally, speaking of the temple as having no crafts in it anymore suggest the interior temple as a business ground in the past which is false nullifying any relevant connection of great babylon to the temple. The temple therefore has no connection to Great Babylon in that matter as Great Babylon is a business hub whereas the interior temple was never so. Great Babylon has millstones, the temple has none thetefore great babylon is the literal city. It is Rome in its future setting!

    • Lastly, he challenged me saying: NOW, IT’S YOUR TURN to PROVE that the VATICAN CITY, which you ERRONEOUSLY LABELLED AS THE GREAT BABYLON, is NO MORE. KAYA MO?
    • Its Rome not Vatican but it would happen in the future wherein heaven and earth be shaken as it say,
    • Isaiah 13:1,9,13
    • [1]The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
    • [9]Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
    • [13]Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

    • That speaks of great babylon and not the historic and permanently lost city old babylon bec none of that magnitude–heaven and earth quake– happened before thus logically, it speaks of future events which could only refer to great babylon–Rome–being the only babylon that has not yet become extinct.

    CATHOLICS, JERUSALEM IS NOT GREAT BABYLON!

    Catholic belief:

    The beast is Rome

    The whore of babylon is jerusalem
    The beast destroys the whore of babylon.

    REV 17:16 THE TEN HORNS WHICH THOU SAWEST UPON THE BEAST, THESE SHALL HATE THE WHORE AND SHALL MAKE HER DESOLATE AND NAKED AND SHALL EAT HER FLESH AND BURN HER WITH FIRE.
    Catholics say, it refers to Rome destroying jerusalem in 70 AD. Thus the destruction of jerusalem is the destruction of great babylon, the whore.
    Thus jerusalem 70AD is the whore of babylon or the great babylon.

    BEC it was destroyed then it would never exist anymore after 70 AD.

    REV 18:21 THUS WITH VIOLENCE SHALL THAT GREAT CITY BABYLON BE THROWN DOWN AND SHALL BE FOUND NO MORE AT ALL.
    BIBLICAL TRUTH THAT DESTROYS THE CATHOLIC CONCEPT

    Jerusalem 70AD is not great babylon.

    Why?

    What is said to happen to great babylon never happened to jerusalem.

    It means they are different. 

    This did not happen to jerusalem:

    REV 18:3 FOR ALL NATIONS HAVE DRUNK OF THE WRATH OF HER FORNICATION
    There was never a time that all nations fornicate with jerusalem.

    Thus it cannot be the great babylon.
    Catholics argue that “all nations” is a hyperbole.

    Wrong.

    God don’t use hyperbole. Hyperbole is lying. Saying all nations but it is not all nations is lying. God cannot lie.
    It proves one thing. 

    Jerusalem is not great babylon bec what is to happen to babylon never happened to jerusalem.
    Moreover,

    The destruction of babylon is different with jerusalem.
    This is how babylon is destroyed.

    REV 16:18-19 AND THERE WAS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE MEN WERE UPON THE EARTH…AND THE GREAT CITY WAS DIVIDED INTO THREE PARTS.
    When?

    REV 16:19 to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath
    When is that?

    REV18:3 for all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication..
    THE EARTHQUAKE will happen during the “giving of the cup of the wine of the wrath of god”, which happens after all nations fornicate with great babylon.
    That never happened to jerusalem in its destruction in 70AD.

    THERE WAS NEVER A GREAT EARTHQUAKE IN JERUSALEM AFTER ALL NATIONS FORNICATE WITH HER

    AND NOWHERE DID ALL NATION FORNICATED WITH HER.
    HOW IS BABYLON DESTROYED?

    ISAIAH 13:3-5 ARMIES FROM HEAVEN WOULD DESTROY BABYLON
    IT never happened to jerusalem.
    THE DESTRUCTION OF BABYLON IS SIMULTANEOUS WITH THE SHAKING OF HEAVEN AND EARTH

    ISAIAH 13:1,9-13
    IT did not happen yet.
    Lastly, jerusalem was not totally destroyed and still existing. Presently, it is still existing, whereas great babylon would never exist.

    GREAT BABYLON AS A LITERAL LAND:

    REV18:17-18 and every shipmaster and and all the company in ships and sailors and as many as trade by sea stood afar off and cried when they saw the smoke of her burning…
    REV 18:21 BABYLON BE THROWN DOWN AND SHALL BE FOUND NO MORE AT ALL.
    BABYLON will never be found. JERUSALEM is in Israel.

    HOW IS BABYLON NOT FOUND?

    ISAIAH 34:9-10 and the land thereof shall become burning pitch…it shall lie waste…NONE SHALL PASS THROUGH IT FOREVER AND EVER.
    These prove that jerusalem is not babylon.
    GREAT BABYLON AS A LAND MUST NOT BE FOUND
    BENFRANCIS RATZBERG, a catholic apologist said:
    “BABYLON was NEVER FOUND because JERUSALEM’S SPIRITUAL and POLITICAL POWER was DESTROYED BY THE DESTRUCTION of the  TEMPLE IN 70 AD – never to RISE AGAIN.
    BUT SINCE YOU INSIST that the OLD JERUSALEM is still there, then YOU ARE BOUND TO PROVE that the OLD JERUSALEM is STILL WIELDING the SAME RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL POWER AS IT DID DURING ITS HEYDAY- EVEN WITHOUT THE TEMPLE.
    I HAVE BEEN ASKING THAT SEVERAL TIMES AND YOU JUST WENT PFFT. 
    Because the HARD FACT is, the OLD JERUSALEM is NO MORE”
    Is the destruction of babylon wherein it cannot be found, concerning only, the destruction of spiritual and political power wherein the temple is gone?
    Or
    Was it about the whole great babylon, the land, including its religious power, to be never found?

    IF GREAT BABYLON IS CONSISTING OF THE LAND AND ITS RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL POWER THEN ALL OF IT MUST NOT BE FOUND.
    The land is the great city babylon.

    Thus it must not be found.
    REV18:8 SHE SHALL BE UTTERLY DESTROYED BY FIRE FOR STRONG IS THE LORD GOD THAT JUDGE HER…
    REV18:17-19, 21 and every shipmaster and all the company in ships and sailors and as many as trade by the sea stood afar off

    AND CRIED WHEN THEY SAW THE SMOKE OF HER BURNING SAYING WHAT CITY IS LIKE UNTO THIS GREAT CITY…

    FOR IN ONE HOUR IS SHE MADE DESOLATE…

    THUS WITH VIOLENCE SHALL THAT GREAT CITY BABYLON WILL BE THROWN DOWN AND SHALL BE FOUND NO MORE AT ALL.

    Revelation 18:22-23

    [22]And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

    [23]And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

    clearly, the great city babylon is the land, as it was the one to be desolate and burning, with every sort of crafts and businesses.

    THUS IT IS THE ONE NOT TO BE FOUND.

    How?

    ISAIAH 34:9-10 and the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone and the land thereof shall become burning pitch

    It shall not be quenched night or day, the smoke thereof shall go up for ever. FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION IT SHALL LIE WASTE, NONE SHALL PASS THROUGH IT FOREVER AND EVER.
    It is not so with jerusalem. Jerusalem as a land can still be found.
    #inactive_mcgi

    GREAT BABYLON IS A RELIGION 

    REV17:1-5 GREAT BABYLON SITS ON THE BEAST AND ON MANY WATERS.

    THE BEAST is the anti christ.

    REV13:11-18

    THE MANY WATERS are people from nations of the world.

    REV17:15

    GREAT BABYLON is a religion.

    REV17:4-5 “MOTHER OF HARLOTS”, “her fornication”
    Having fornication and being mother of harlots implied a religious act of idolatry, thus it is a religion.

    HARLOTRY OR WHOREDOM IS AN ACT DESCRIPTIVE ALSO OF IDOLATRY, AND IDOLATRY IS A RELIGIOUS ACT.

    Ezk 16:17-20 “Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee,

    AND MADEST TO THYSELF IMAGES OF MEN AND DIDST COMMIT WHOREDOM WITH THEM,

     And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.

     My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, [wherewith] I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour:

    and [thus] it was, saith the Lord GOD.

      Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter.”
    Great babylon sitting on the beast and on many waters implied an association between them, an organized group having the beast as leader and the waters as it’s members and great babylon as the religion.

    BEAST AS LEADER.

    REV13:2,11-12 AND THE BEAST WHICH I SAW WAS LIKE UNTO A LEOPARD…AND THE DRAGON GAVE HIM HIS POWER AND HIS SEAT AND GREAT AUTHORITY…

    and I beheld another beast…and he exercise all the power of the first beast before him, AND CAUSE THE EARTH AND THEM WHICH DWELL THEREIN TO WORSHIP THE FIRST BEAST…
    obviously, the beast is the leader and bec great babylon sits on it, it means, the beast is the leader in the great babylon and if great babylon is a religion then it suggests that the beast is the leader of the organized religion.
    HOW CAN I PROVE FURTHER THAT GREAT BABYLON IS A RELIGION?
    GOD and his armies destroy the people and the literal city called great babylon.

    The beast likewise destroys great babylon.
    Which great babylon did the beast destroy if god and his armies destroy the people and the land great babylon?
    It left us with no choice, the only possible way, that the beast could have destroyed anything is, if great babylon symbolizes another thing than the literal city. 

    Logically, great babylon symbolizes two things, religion and literal city, for the beast to have destroyed anything, bec if great babylon is a literal city then what would the beast destroy, when it is God who destroy the literal city?

    BEAST DESTROYS GREAT BABYLON.

    REV 17:16

    GOD AND ARMIES DESTROY GREAT BABYLON.

    REV18:8, 17-18,21 she shall be utterly destroyed by fire FOR STRONG IS THE LORD GOD THAT JUDGE HER…for in one hour so great riches is come to nought and every shipmaster and all the company in ships and sailors and as many as trade by sea stood afar off, AND CRIED WHEN THEY SAW THE SMOKE OF HER BURNING, SAYING, WHAT CITY IS LIKE UNTO THIS GREAT CITY…THUS WITH VIOLENCE SHALL THAT GREAT CITY BABYLON BE THROWN DOWN

    AND SHALL BE FOUND NO MORE AT ALL.
    That cannot be done by the beast, to topple a city and makes it to be never found. It’s only by God. 
    ARMIES OF GOD ALSO DESTROYS BABYLON, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE.

    ISAIAH 13:3-5, 9 I have commanded my sanctified ones…they come from a far country, from the end of heaven…TO DESTROY THE WHOLE LAND (babylon)…TO LAY THE LAND DESOLATE AND HE (God) SHALL DESTROY THE SINNERS OUT OF IT.
    IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT BEAST AND ARMIES OF GOD SHOULD HAVE ALLIED TO DESTROY THE LAND?

    No. They are enemies, Thus the beast is in no way part of those that destroy the literal city great babylon. 

    God and the beast are enemies. They cannot work together.
    REV19:19 AND I SAW THE BEAST AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH AND THEIR ARMIES GATHERED TOGETHER TO MAKE WAR AGAINST HIM (jesus Christ) THAT SAT ON THE HORSE AND AGAINST HIS ARMY.
    God cannot make good and evil join together for one purpose. It cannot be that God let the beast and his armies together with god`s armies join together to destroy babylon.

    2COR 6:15 FOR WHAT FELLOWSHIP HATH RIGHTEOUSNESS WITH UNRIGHTEOUSNESS? And what communion hath light with darkness?…WHAT PART HATH HE THAT BELIEVE WITH AN INFIDEL?
    Meaning, the beast did not destroy the literal city great babylon.
    If great babylon is not a religion, which great babylon did the beast destroy?

    GOD DESTROYS THE LAND AND THE PEOPLE, WHICH IS LEFT FOR THE BEAST TO DESTROY?

    NONE.

    ONLY IF BABYLON IS A RELIGION, THEN, IT HAS SOMETHING ALSO TO DESTROY.

    Revelation 17:16

    [16]And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
    Logically, great babylon is also a religion for the beast to have something to destroy.

    Why cannot be Great babylon a religion?

    It is the mother of harlots–an idolatrous people…

    CATHOLIC CHURCH IS GREAT BABYLON PART 2

    ONLY ONE RELIGION CAME FROM THE ROMAN EMPIRE. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
    The new lexicon Webster dictionary:

    “The Roman Catholic church rose to be a great political force in the Roman empire (4th c.) And dominated western Europe throughout the middle ages.”
    NO OTHER RELIGION CAME FROM THE ROMAN EMPIRE THAN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

    GREAT BABYLON IS A RELIGION THAT CAME FROM THE ROMAN EMPIRE.
    IF ONLY ONE RELIGION CAME FROM ROMAN EMPIRE AND BOTH CATHOLIC CHURCH AND GREAT BABYLON IS A RELIGION THAT CAME FROM ROMAN EMPIRE THEN IT MEANS THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME.
    Great babylon as a religion.

    REV17:3-5 “MOTHER OF HARLOTS”
    It implies idolatry, which is a religious act. Therefore it is a religion. An idolatrous religion.

    It came from the Roman empire.

    REV 17:3 GREAT BABYLON SITS ON THE BEAST
    DAN7:23 THE BEAST IS THE ROMAN EMPIRE
    If great babylon, an idolatrous religion sits on the Roman empire, it suggests that it was present during those times. It suggests also that great babylon came from Roman empire to the present.
    How do we know great babylon would continue to the present?
    BEC IT HAS NOT FULFILLED YET THIS ONE:

    REV18:3 ALL COUNTRIES WOULD FORNICATE WITH GREAT BABYLON
    it never happened yet, meaning, it is a future event, thus coming from the Roman empire it would logically continues to exist toward the fulfillment of that prophecy in the future. 
    Thus great babylon is an idolatrous religion that came from the Roman empire and exists to the present towards the future.

    ONLY ONE RELIGION CAME FROM ROMAN EMPIRE AND IS EXISTING IN THE PRESENT.

    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

    IF GREAT BABYLON IS A RELIGION THAT CAME FROM ROMAN EMPIRE THEN IT IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BEC ONLY ONE RELIGION CAME FROM ROMAN EMPIRE. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

    Great babylon is an idolatrous religion. Is catholic church an idolatrous religion?
    What is idolatry?

    EXODUS 20:4-5

    BOWING DOWN TO IMAGES
    BOWING down is the act of idolatry. In hebrew, it is

    SHACHAH

    which means

    PROSTRATE IN HOMAGE TO SUPERIOR OR GOD
    Thus idolatry means

    PROSTRATING TO IMAGES IN HOMAGE (veneration) TO SUPERIOR (Mary and the saints) AND GOD (false gods)
    Catholics have been doing that. They PROSTRATE (bow down) to images IN HOMAGE (veneration) to superior beings like Mary and the saints.

    Thus CATHOLIC CHURCH is an idolatrous religion.
    THERE IS ONLY ONE IDOLATROUS RELIGION THAT CAME FROM THE ROMAN EMPIRE. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

    GREAT BABYLON IS AN IDOLATROUS RELIGION THAT CAME FROM ROMAN EMPIRE

    BEC THERE IS ONLY ONE IDOLATROUS RELIGION THAT CAME FROM ROMAN EMPIRE, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

    AND GREAT BABYLON IS AN IDOLATROUS RELIGION THAT CAME FROM ROMAN EMPIRE

    SUGGESTS THAT THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME.
    If catholic church is not great babylon, then, is there any other religion that came from the Roman empire?

    None.

    ONLY the Catholic church.
    It means it is great babylon bec it is a religion that came from Roman empire.
    Much so, that they are both an idolatrous religion.
    NO CHOICE E.

    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS GREAT BABYLON

    Re 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

    Re 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
    The woman, who is great Babylon sits upon a beast with ten horns. This woman symbolizes a religion as implied by her name:

    MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH.
    HARLOTRY OR WHOREDOM IS AN ACT DESCRIPTIVE ALSO OF IDOLATRY, AND IDOLATRY IS A RELIGIOUS ACT.

    Ezk 16:17-20 “Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee,

    AND MADEST TO THYSELF IMAGES OF MEN AND DIDST COMMIT WHOREDOM WITH THEM,

     And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.

     My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, [wherewith] I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour:

    and [thus] it was, saith the Lord GOD.

      Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter.”

    That woman, Great Babylon is the mother of harlotry, the mother of whoredom, the mother of idolatry which means that this woman symbolizes an idolatrous religion.

    GREAT BABYLON is therefore a religion. It sits on a beast with ten horns.

    Which is the beast?

    Dn 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns.

    Dn 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
    The beast has ten horns and there came out a little horn. That little horn would continue to exist until judgment day.

    Dn 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

    Dn 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
    HORN IS A SPIRIT.

    REV 5:6 having seven horns… which are the seven spirits of god.
    That little horn is the spirit of the anti-christ bec it exist through time even until judgment day. It is an anti-christ as it war against the saints through out time.

    It means, that horn is associated with great babylon. It is the spirit of great babylon, the working force in the false religion.

    THE GREAT BABYLON, a false religion sits on the beast.

    Which is the beast?
    Dn 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
    The beast, which this little horn came from, is the fourth kingdom. That is the roman empire. First is, Babylon, then, medo-persia, then, Greece, then, rome.
    BEC GREAT BABYLON SITS UPON THE BEAST OR THE ROMAN EMPIRE THUS GREAT BABYLON WAS PRESENT DURING THE ROMAN EMPIRE OF OLD. IT SUGGESTS ALSO THAT GREAT BABYLON CAME FROM THE ROMAN EMPIRE.
    HOW WOULD WE KNOW GREAT BABYLON WOULD CONTINUE THROUGH TIME?
    REV 18:3 FOR ALL NATIONS HAVE DRUNK OF THE WINE OF OF THE WRATH OF HER FORNICATION
    it did not happen yet which means great babylon would exists towards its fulfillment. Meaning great babylon is present in our time as the fulfillment wherein ALL nations fornicate with her has not come to pass yet.

    It is a future event thus we know even now it is still existing.
    WHICH RELIGION IS THAT THEREFORE?
    Which religion has its roots from the roman empire and continues to exist up to the present?
    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
    Therefore, it is the great Babylon.
    IF CITY IS NOT RELIGION then which literal city is it about. It is not jerusalem or PAGAN ROME as Catholics claim. It only means it is a religion.

    As suggested by it’s name

    MOTHER OF HARLOTS

    it suggests idolatry as I presented which is religious.
    GREAT BABYLON IS a city. RELIGION is a city.

    Dan9:19 THY CITY AND THY PEOPLE ARE CALLED BY THY NAME
    the city is the people. It is how JESUS called the people as jerusalem. THUS the people is a city. It is called by the name of god thus it is

    PEOPLE OF GOD
    That is a religion. It is not merely speaking of people per se but a people with divine laws and government thus it is a religion. 

    It is how the religion of Jesus  is called

    CHURCH OF GOD
    CHURCH means saints

    So it is

    SAINTS OF GOD
    That is a religion.

    SAINTS OF GOD 

    is the same as

    PEOPLE OF GOD
    it is a city. And bec it is a religion then religion is a city.

    GREAT BABYLON being idolatrous and a city suggests that it is a religion.
    WHICH CITY/RELIGION CAME FROM THE ROMAN EMPIRE AND CONTINUES TO PRESENT?
    ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
    What were the other distinction?

    Re 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
    It is remarkable how the catholics killed many in the inquisition.

    Re 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
    It is remarkable how the papacy reign over kings. 

    Re 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

    Re 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

    Re 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
    Catholics blaspheme the name of god. Though rev 13:5-7 is a future event, there is already hints of blasphemy in the catholic church.

    What is blasphemy?

    Ezk 20:27 ., Thus saith the Lord GOD; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me.
    Blasphemy is to trespass against god. Catholics trespass against god by their innumerable idolatry.
    Never denying the fact, that they are the only religion that came from the roman empire, killing saints, and continued to exist unto the present.
    That as clear facts, certifies the belief that the great Babylon is the catholic church.