DESTROYING ATHEIST REFUTATION OF BIBLE PROPHECIES p.1

Below is the atheist argument. I’ll answer in between. Be patient. I’ll guarantee, my answer would be my best logical approach.Seatbelts please!?

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🔹Biblical principle in correct prophetic interpretation and approach:

God said to inquire first, logically on history in relation to scriptures to see  considerately before making correct interpretation and conclusion, whether a prophecy refers to a particular event or not. If prophecy is compliant with history then as god suggested speaks of prophecy and historical event as the same account as it say,

  • Proverbs 20:25
  • [25]It is a snare to the man who inconsiderately utter that which is holy, and afterwards, vows to make enquiry.

Inquiry is  expressed in this way: gather all corroborative biblical snd historical facts to establish a valid fulfilled and historical prophecy, as it say,

  • Ecclesiastes 7:27
  • [27]Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:

I would utilize that principle and with biblical context for my diagnostic method.


🔹ATHEIST ARGUMENT:

There are numerous Biblical prophecies, some vaguely fulfilled, others strangely unfulfilled.

Some Christians claim that fulfilled prophecies prove that the Bible is inerrant or even literally true. Creationists conclude it is accurate even on scientific subjects.

This article examines various prophecies from the Bible and gives an analysis of whether or not they have been fulfilled.

  • OK. This is me! Expect my answers to be in this format. For the effective critical thinkers, see if the atheist argument is logical and empiric and not an attempt on out of context presumption, theory or blind guess. See if they do it by correct logic and evidence shun ambiguity. Lets begin…

🔺edit]The nature of prophecy in the Bible

It almost goes without saying that the fulfillment of any prophecy (from your daily horoscopes to those in the Bible) largely depends on how one interprets it. Some prophecies in the Bible, such as the ones about Jesus, seem to be fulfilled only because the Gospels twisted unrelated verses in the Old Testament to convince their various audiences to become Christians (and sometimes even made things up to convince readers, like the fake genealogy numbers of Matthew 1:17). Other prophecies make very vague predictions, and so all kinds of events could occur that would “fulfill” them. Still others were never predicted until after the event took place. And since there’s also a large number of unfulfilled prophecies, alleged prophecy-fulfillment does not suffice to compel belief in the inerrancy of the Bible.

  • Ok. An opinion! Lets see substantial proof, if by chance, they intended to substantiate it.

The Bible’s own attitude towards prophecy differs from later takes. This is evident, for example, in the book of Jonah, a fictional parable[note 1] about a reluctant prophet. God has given him a command to travel to the pagan metropolis of Nineveh to preach the city’s doom. Given this task, Jonah boards a ship headed in the opposite direction, towards Tarshish (contemporary Spain). This leads to the familiar adventure with the giant fish. Eventually Jonah makes it to Nineveh, where the inhabitants receive his message of doom surprisingly well. The people repent, and God changes his mind and spares the city. In the Bible itself, prophecy is a call for moral improvement, not an inexorable doom.

  • Jonah is not the only case. There are many prophecy of doom in the bible. It is by this principle:
  • Ezekiel 33:1-7
  • [1]Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
  • [2]Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
  • [3]If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
  • [4]Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
  • [5]He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
  • [6]But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.
  • [7]So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

🔹[edit]Criteria for a true prophecy

For a statement to be Biblical foreknowledge, it must fit all of the five following criteria:

It must be accurate. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not accurate, because knowledge (and thus foreknowledge) excludes inaccurate statements. TLDR: It’s true.

It must be in the Bible. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not in the Bible, because Biblical foreknowledge definitionally can only come from the Bible itself, rather than modern reinterpretations of the text. TLDR: It’s in plain words in the Bible.

It must be precise and unambiguous. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if meaningless philosophical musings or multiple possible ideas could fulfill the foreknowledge, because ambiguity prevents one from knowing whether the foreknowledge was intentional rather than accidental. TLDR: Vague “predictions” don’t count.

It must be improbable. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of a pure guess, because foreknowledge requires a person to actually know something true, while a correct guess doesn’t mean that the guesser knows anything. This also excludes contemporary beliefs that happened be true but were believed to be true without solid evidence. TLDR: Lucky guesses don’t count.

It must have been unknown. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of an educated guess based off contemporary knowledge, because foreknowledge requires a person to know a statement when it would have been impossible, outside of supernatural power, for that person to know it. TLDR: Ideas of the time don’t count.

  • Yap! Biblical prophecies, the ones fulfilled perfectly fits to the atheist proposed criteria. 
  • REMINDER: ATHEISTS SEE HOW YOU PRESUMED UNFULFILLED PROPHECIES TO HAVE HAPPENED AMISS WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL PROOF WHY YOU THINK IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED WHEN IT SHOULD BE FUTURISTIC! AND SOMETIMES  IN THE CONTEXT OF SYMBOLISMS🔻

🔺edit]Wrong prophecies

[edit]Nebuchadnezzar would destroy Tyre

“”For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee. And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers. By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach. With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground. And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water. And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard. And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

—Ezekiel 26:7-14

Here God explicitly states that Nebuchadnezzar would completely sack and destroy the city of Tyre and that Tyre’s land would never be built upon again. However, this never occurred. After a 13-year siege, Tyre compromised with NebuchadnezzarWikipedia’s W.svg and accepted his authority without being destroyed. Despite being conquered and razed by Alexander the Great 240 years later,[2] Tyre still exists.[3]

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  • OK! Let’s quote:
  • Ezekiel 26:7-14,21
  • [7]For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people.
  • [8]He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee.
  • [9]And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers.
  • [10]By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach.
  • [11]With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground.
  • [12]And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water.
  • [13]And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard.
  • [14]And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
  • [21]I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be no more: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the Lord GOD.
  • As you can see, it is about Tyre’s non-resilient and permanent ruin. Its about it as a lost desolate city, unfound permanently. This prophecy did not happen before christ, or during nebuchadnezzar time bec tyre still was existing during early christianity whereas the prophecy was concerning a permanently lost and unfound city. 
  • Why then it mentioned of Nebuchadnezzar as the protagonist leader of its destroyer?
  • Logically, Nebuchadnezzar is a symbolism for the king of Babylon, as the prophecy about tyre’s permanent ruin will happen after his time. Who is the Nebuchadnezzar that would permanently destroy tyre in the future?
  • And which Babylon is that?
  • Its not the literal lost city Babylon bec it did not make Egypt desolate whereas Babylon and its king would make Egypt desolate. This would happen in the future, through a different Babylon, as it say,
  • Ezekiel 32:11-15
  • [11]For thus saith the Lord GOD; The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee.
  • [12]By the swords of the mighty will I cause thy multitude to fall, the terrible of the nations, all of them: and they shall spoil the pomp of Egypt, and all the multitude thereof shall be destroyed.
  • [13]I will destroy also all the beasts thereof from beside the great waters; neither shall the foot of man trouble them any more, nor the hoofs of beasts trouble them.
  • [14]Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord GOD.
  • [15]When I shall make the land of Egypt desolate, and the country shall be destitute of that whereof it was full, when I shall smite all them that dwell therein, then shall they know that I am the LORD.
  • This reality proves that there is another aspect to the term king of Babylon, its other than the old Babylonian empire extinct from the world. _Its referring to a new Babylon, having Nebuchadnezzar as symbolism of its king.
  • Is there biblical proof that a literal city could be symbolism of another city?
  • Yes. Egypt symbolizes Jerusalem!
  • Revelation 11:8
  • [8]And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
  • In spiritual essence, a literal city could be a symbolism for another city such as Egypt is Jerusalem. Therefore, any mention of the word Egypt in the Old Testament prophecies must be dealt with caution. Is it the literal egypt or the spiritual egypt–jerusalem? Interpretation must therefore be by biblical and historical context as historical inquiry is a necessity before concluding an interpretation so as god required. Therefore after inquiry, any prophecy compliant to history must be believed as the intended .prediction. Anything inconsistent is not. It means, a prophecy in a different nature.
  • Yes! God said to inquire first, logically in history in relation to scriptures to see  considerately before making correct interpretation and conclusion, whether a prophecy refers to a particular event or not. If prophecy is compliant with history then as god suggested speaks of prophecy and historical event as the same account as it say,
  • Proverbs 20:25
  • [25]It is a snare to the man who inconsiderately utter that which is holy, and afterwards, vows to make enquiry.
  • Inquiry is  expressed in this way: gather all corroborative biblical snd historical facts to establish a valid fulfilled and historical prophecy, as it say,
  • Ecclesiastes 7:27
  • [27]Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:
  • Therefore the king of Babylon that would desolate Egypt and permanently destroy tyre bec it was not literally historical with old Babylon,therefore it speaks of a different Babylon. 
  • Do we have another future babylon?
  • Yes! As it say,
  • Isaiah 13:1,3,5,9-10,13
  • [1]The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
  • [3]I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.
  • [5]They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
  • [9]Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
  • As you can see, that Babylon would be destroyed by armies from heaven with someone called lord. It did not happen to the old Babylon which is now a permanently desolate city. Permanently thus never would that prophecy of destruction by armies from heaven happens to it at any time. Therefore speaking of a new Babylon!
  • Isaiah 13:19-20
  • [19]And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
  • [20]It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
  • Old Babylon is destroyed permanently thus it is not the Babylon intended to be destoyed by heavenly armies, it could be no other than a new babylon. 
  • Having considered context and historical basis,  Babylon whenever mentioned in the bible therefore could be speaking of two, old Babylon. Or the new Babylon. Therefore it requires historical coherence and biblical context, to discern correctly the appropriate Babylon in every prophecy.
  •  Which Babylon would desolate Egypt and permanently ruin tyre in the future?
  • Isaiah 14:1-3
  • [1]For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
  • [3]And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
  • Isaiah 14:4-7,12-16,20
  • [4]That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
  • [5]The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
  • [6]He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
  • [7]The whole l land is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
  • Isaiah 14:8,10
  • [8]Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
  • [10]All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
  • [12]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
  • [13]For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
  • [14]I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
  • [15]Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
  • [16]They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
  • [20]Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
  • What does it mean? Let’s enumerate.
  • This proverb is for the king of Babylon
  • The staff of the wicked king of babylon is destroyed
  • The king of Babylon becomes weak and ceased to oppress israel
  • The whole land of israel is at rest, and peace.
  • No country ever attacked Israel after king of Babylon become weak and ceased to oppress
  • King of Babylon represents Lucifer or Satan, as Lucifer is from heaven and referred to as man who makes nations tremble and is buried. Lucifer cannot be buried bec he is not mortal thus that man who is referred as lucifer is representation of lucifer.
  • Lucifer would be brought to the pit
  • King of babylon destroys its own land.
  • Obviously, that’s not old Babylon of the chaldeans bec during when old babylon becomes weak, or cease to oppress israel was attacked by rome whereas the babylon in the prophecy when it gets weak,and unoppressive israel would not be attacked.
  • You see?
  • A different Babylon, right?
  • When is the time where the staff of the wicked is destroyed thus there is rest or peace in the whole Israel where no attacker would ever come against Israel?
  • When is the staff of the wicked destroyed for peace? Or lucifer has fallen and brought down to the pit wherein Israel would be at rest, and no attacker comes forth?
  • Rest in israel is further corroborated, as it say,
  • Ezekiel 38:8
  • [8]After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
  • Ezekiel 38:10-11
  • [10]Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
  • [11]And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
  • Ezekiel 38:16,18-19
  • [16]And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
  • [18]And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.
  • [19]For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

  • When will there be overall peace in the whole Israel wherein all people are safe?
  • It never happened before and after the babylonian captivity. Therefore, its futuristic. 
  • When is that when the staff of the wicked is destroyed and israel is at peace?!
  • During the millennial rule of Christ wherein Satan was imprisoned brought down to the pit for 1000 years and peace and safety is in Israel–all of them! Ez 38:8 “They shall dwell safely all of them”
  • Revelation 20:2-3
  • [2]And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
  • [3]And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
  • Revelation 20:6
  • [6]Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
  • Zechariah 14:9-11
  • [9]And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
  • [10]All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
  • [11]And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
  • That is the predicted contextual events. A time of 1000 year peace in Israel where no attacker or destruction would happen and peace and safety is guaranteed. The time the staff of the wicked Satan and the king of Babylon is destroyed, Satan brought in the pit and the king of babylon is though undead cease to oppress. Christ rules with his saints for 1000years.
  • Therefore as evidently and logical, Nebuchadnezzar, king of babylon is not the literal chaldean but symbolical of the coming king of a different babylon emerging afterwards as proven by the reality of a different babylon.
  • Therefore, tyre being permanently ruined is futuristic, to be ruined by that new babylon. It is a more credible and logical approach. The atheist argument is flawed. As you see, a better logical approach destroys it, by the context of a different babylon.
  • There is a new babylon in the book of revelation. THE GREAT BABYLON symbolical of Rome and catholicism. 
  •  The question is, Tyre is gone, would it resurrect for the fulfillment of the prophecy as permanent lost city?
  • Possible as other ruined cities in a long time resurrected to life as this,
  • Jeremiah 48:9,28,47
  • [9]Give wings unto Moab, that it may flee and get away: for the cities thereof shall be desolate, without any to dwell therein.
  • [28]O ye that dwell in Moab, leave the cities, and dwell in the rock, and be like the dove that maketh her nest in the sides of the hole’s mouth.
  • [47]Yet will I bring again the prosperity of Moab in the latter days, saith the LORD. Thus far is the judgment of Moab.
  • CONCLUSION: NEBUCHADNEZZAR, LOGICALLY A SYMBOLISM OF THE KING OF A DIFFERENT BABYLON WOULD RUIN THE FUTURE RESURRECTED TYRE.
  • EGYPT AS A DESOLATION WOULD LIKEWISE BE IN THE FUTURE BY THAT NEW BABYLON.
  • Logical?

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🔹dit]Egypt would be a barren wasteland

Egypt. What a desolate wasteland.

Ezekiel 29:8-15 states:

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring a sword upon thee, and cut off man and beast out of thee. And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it. Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries. Yet thus saith the Lord GOD; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered: And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom. It shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations.

  • Its a future event. Whatever is not historical is future event. Logic?

God sets out a checklist:

Egypt and everything from the tower of Syene to Ethiopia will be desolate and waste

God will own the Nile

No humans will walk through Egypt

No animals will walk through Egypt

Nobody will live in Egypt for 40 years

Egyptians will leave Egypt and be scattered among other nations

After 40 years of scattering, Egypt will be repopulated by the scattered Egyptians

Egypt will be a weak kingdom, and will never control “the nations”

This passage is one of the most erroneous in the Bible. Since Ezekiel was penned, Egypt has never been recorded as a ‘desolate waste’. There is no historical evidence of a time when people have not walked through Egypt; when for forty years Egypt was uninhabited after the civilization started there; or for when Egypt has been surrounded by other desolate countries.[4]

RationalWiki responds:

Ezekiel 29:8-12 was penned by Ezekiel “in the tenth year,” which is the tenth year after Ezekiel was taken into captivity-in other words 587 BC. Within a year of Ezekiel recording this prophecy Egypt abandoned Judah, allowing Nebuchadnezzar to destroy Jerusalem. That’s great, but Judah isn’t Egypt.

Egypt remained independent for another two generations, but after Cyrus destroyed Babylon in 539 BC, his son Cambysses invaded Egypt in 522 BC, bringing devastation throughout Egypt. Herodotus (Herodotus 3:7-33) describes in detail the destruction of Egypt, the capture of Pharaoh Psammenitus and the devastation of Egypt, as prophesied by God through Ezekiel. Cambysses took Memphis and Sais, even killing the apis bull, shaming the Egyptians. First, on Egypt being conquered: Ezekiel quite clearly states that Egypt will be totally empty of every human and beast for 40 years. Egypt was conquered and lost power; neither is the same as completely uninhabited. Second, on the other parts of the checklist: God specifically states that everything from “tower of Syene to Ethiopia will be desolate and waste”. Did Cambysses remember to depopulate everything south of Egypt, too? God states that he will own the Nile. Did the Jews control the Nile? God says that Egyptians will have a massive diaspora, just like the Jews. When did this happen? And when did the massive repopulation of Egypt happen?

Later, the Egyptians did regain their independence, but they were never again the world power they had been for more than two thousand years before this prophecy. This fulfills Ezekiel 29:14f “I will bring them back from captivity…. There they will be a lowly kingdom. It will be the lowliest of kingdoms and will never again exalt itself above the other nations.” Is Egypt the “lowliest” of kingdoms? Because Egypt sure looks to be more powerful than, say, Sealand or Micronesia — or even, for that matter, many of its neighbors, like Libya, Sudan, Jordan, and Syria. It was a driving force behind the Arab nationalist movement in the mid-late 20th century, and it is still a potent military, economic, and cultural power in the Middle East and North Africa.
🔹edit]The Nile will dry up

Yep, still there.

Ezekiel 30:12:

I will dry up the streams of the Nile and sell the land to evil men; by the hand of foreigners I will lay waste the land and everything in it. I the LORD have spoken.

There is no evidence that this has happened in recorded history.

RationalWiki:

Ezekiel 30:12 does not say that the Nile will dry up, but in fact it says “I will dry up the streams of the Nile.” Therefore, some of the tributaries will dry up. First, let’s say that the “the streams” refers to the tributaries of the Nile. If the Nile’s tributaries dried up, it should (almost completely) also dry up, given that very little water is going into it. This doesn’t solve the apologist’s problem, but just shifts it a few thousand miles downstream.

Second, the KJV version mentions “the streams of the Nile”. The original Hebrew text simply uses the plural form of the word for “Nile” (Ye’or), hence literally the “Niles”, likely referring to the various stretches of the river, or the Blue Nile and the White Nile that at one point run together. The plural “Niles” cannot be stretched to mean mere tributaries that would not be considered part of the Nile proper at all. A few other respected translations make this passage a bit more clear:

“I will dry up the waters of the Nile and sell the land to an evil nation; by the hand of foreigners I will lay waste the land and everything in it. I the LORD have spoken,” New International Version[7]

“I will dry up the Nile River and sell the land to wicked men. I will destroy the land of Egypt and everything in it by the hands of foreigners. I, the LORD, have spoken!” New Living Translation[7]

  • NILE drying up is obviously intended in the future. Wherein the king of the new Babylon would desolate it. 

Egyptians will speak the language of Canaan

Isaiah 19:18 Isaiah:

Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

Not only has the Canaanite language never been spoken by Egyptians, but it is now an extinct language. There is the very unlikely possibility Isaiah was referring to Hebrew, which is technically a Canaanite language. However, Hebrew was also never adopted by the Egyptians. And according to the context of this passage, Isaiah is specifically referring to Pagan Egypt, which ceased to exist in the 4th century (see above). So even if Egyptians started speaking Hebrew at this very moment, it would still be an inaccurate prediction, unless again they begin doing these things (highly unlikely). Also, it’s worth noting that Isaiah believes the Egyptians will convert to Mosaic Judaism and start offering sacrifices to the LORD shortly after this incident (Isaiah 19:21)—a practice no longer done by Jews since the Temple was destroyed and priesthood lost.

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  • Obviously, its historicity has not yet been realized. In short, it did not happen. Meaning, a future event.let’s see…
  • How could five cities of Egypt speaks the language of Canaanites?
  • Let’s quote:
  • Isaiah 19:18-19,21-22
  • [18]In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.
  • [19]In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
  • [21]And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and minchah (bloodless, voluntary offering) yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.
  • As it say, Egypt is a worshipper of god doing sacrifice and bloodless offering wherein five cities speaks Hebrew and an altar in their midst. When is that?
  • Zechariah 14:2-4,9,11-14,16-21
  • [2]For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
  • [3]Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
  • [4]And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
  • [9]And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
  • [11]And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
  • [12]And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
  • [13]And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
  • [14]And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
  • [16]And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
  • [17]And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
  • [18]And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
  • [19]This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
  • [20]In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
  • [21]Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
  • When did Egypt become a worshipper of God and five cities speak Hebrew?
  • The collateral verse, implied, that there would be a time when all countries would battle Jerusalem, one of them logically is egypt. God fight for jerusalem destroying these people through fire as evident by how they melt. Those spared, afterwards are worshippers of God, including Egypt. They regularly go to Jerusalem for the feast of tabernacles where voluntary offerings are required.
  • If those alleged failed prophecies are not historical, could it not be possible that it would happen during these times? Such as. Egypt five cities speaking Canaanite Hebrew?
  • Why not?!
  • These are times of Christianity wherein offerings of praise is a devotion, as it say, 
  •  Hebrews 13:15
  • [15]By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name
  • .Ephesians 3:21
  • [21]Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
  • And as it say,
  • and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
  • Its speaks of Christianity wherein there is no racial distinction as it say, 
  • Galatians 3:28
  • [28]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
  • Whereas during the time of Zechariah’s prophecy, Judaism distinguished the difference between Israel and gentile believers.
  • Regarding Egypt’s desolation of 40years and Nile drying up, could it not possibly during these times after the 1000year peace and before the all-country against Jerusalem war, as it say,
  • And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
  • Folks, its all possibilities, nothing confirmed, nothing denied. We would only know when time comes that history will prove these prophecies correct, as I said initially, before uttering anything from the holy scriptures as something conclusive, it needs inquiry, in history, that when prophecy and historical events is placed together in compliance, then only then we could say, we have validated the prophecy account. It is by this principle, as I’ll repeat again,
  • Proverbs 20:25
  • [25]It is a snare to the man who inconsiderately utter that which is holy, and afterwards, vows to make enquiry.

  • Inquiry is  expressed in this way: gather all corroborative facts to establish a valid fulfilled and historical prophecy, as it say,

    Ecclesiastes 7:27

    [27]Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:

    Whereas the atheist argument trying to falsify prophecies is lacking substance to make valid and certain derivation. My answers are mere possibilities as by logical approach, nothing confirmatory unless history is there to validate it, whereas the atheist argument is banking on irrational and illogical analysis that is lacking context as in the case of Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon, and lacking foresight to alleged it as failed prophecy without valid back up.

    I’ll address more of it.

    To be continued…

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